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when you were a witness, who was your savior, jesus or jehovah?
both are called saviors in the bible.. so who is it today?.
No. Haven't had need of a savior for some time. I find taking responsibility for my own decisions, based upon my own reasoning (or lack of ) enhances the quality of life. The one thing that can get under my skin is when Christians ask me, "Are you saved?" EEE GADS!!! Yeah, saved from that mindset - thank you very much.
granny
i just left the "truth"a couple of months ago, did some sub-contracting work for a brother ( real self-righteous guy), just recieved a phone call from him saying he will no longer be needing my services.
nothing to do with my work he said, just the way it goes.
what a wonderful frickin brotherhood, those damn bastards!!!
That sucks! Typical hypocritical bs from the mouths of those who would pretend to teach about love and human compassion. And even if we set aside the "love" aspect, they are still hyprocrites because they use the system they condem when it benefits, and break Caesar's Laws when it benefits them. I don't associate with anyone like that...let alone phoney religious do-gooders.
I'm sorry you or anyone has been harmed financially by the likes of such uncaring, lying pricks. Maybe if these skumbags were dragged into court more often they might think twice before doing it to someone else. Great point, Maverick.
Cheers,
granny
my husband's sister is graduating this year.
she called and was excited to let us know when her graduation party is planned for.
his parents called the very next day and said maybe it would be a good idea if my hubby who is da'd not attend.
GO!!! Prepare yourself emotionally for any possible fallout (stay nice and calm) while the JW's do their unloving thing which is a testimony - and reminder of why your hubby da. Damn, I am sick of those friggen two-faced hyprocrite *astards!
Who the heck called with the invitation anyhow, eh. Not only go, but maybe you could give the biggest bouquet of flowers, the biggest card, the biggest everything; especially a smile, and really watch them wiggle in their own discomfort. I'd best shut up because it's things like this that just get my blood to boiling. Screw em.
granny
i woke up with my heart racing this morning.
i had an awful dream that i had gone home to visit my parents and that everybody in my former cong came bye to say hi.
in my dream, all the men had on suits and all the women had on floral dresses.
Wow, I just love dreaming. Especially those really intense dreams that on occasion make me think there is more to some than others. I haven't had a doom and gloom dream though in many, many years...thankfully.
Very recently though I did have one of those 'intense' dreams that brought me face to face with a former JW girlfriend of sorts. Her family was very kind to my family and often we teenagers would do crafty things at their home. Anyhow in this dream I was whisped away, ya know in those moments when you can go from one location to another without really knowing how you got there...and there was M.V. I had not even thought of that girl in over 40 years, so when we were face to face (at an assembly it seemed like, although those people just seemed to float right by us and could not interfer) this girl, now a woman of course was on oxygen, looked very much the same, just older of course, and we discussed how JW's cannot see the worth of another. All in all that dream made an impression upon me and I did not open my eyes for some time because I wanted to savor the moment, so too speak.
Here, too, with so-called psychics...yeap. Same, same. I've had some of my best times hanging out with some of them, but in the end it all came down to what others have already mentioned here. I'd not trade a moment of experiencing such fun. And just like JW's, they really don't like it when you disagree and/or want nothing to do with their brand of whatever it is they are peddling this week. OMG...there are so many stories.
Our one "psychic" friend told me years ago that most people are interested in two things only - Money, and their Love Life. And yes, many of them are smug. But my husband and I still have our "spirit guide" portraits that were given to us by a now deceased traveling psychic artist who we considered our friend.
Now his widow is an entirely different story...EEE GADS. What a total nut case!!!!!
Then I remember the dream I had just a few years ago about drowning. It was not scarey in the lest. The moment I was aware of my physical death, I just rose up from the water and floated around the small boat taking it all in. Yes indeedy. I love dreams. And what about the ones' where you are jerked awake from a deep sleep with the ever real sensation of being yanked back into your body through the abdomen. That was weird. Not scarey, just weird.
Thanks for the post.
Granny
i'm so curious!
if you see this, sign your name and your location if you want, cuz i wanna know how many people actively view this!
^_^
Linda...just moved from Arizona to Colorado.
okay, i tried, but i'm just not enjoying this place the way i once did.
my excuse for hanging around is gone, and it has been left in capable hands (whatever that means!
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What are forums such as this supposed to be about anyhow? How long can any one person stay around the same place before it might not starting "stinking",eh. I just don't get it when I read about how things just aren't the same. I thought life was about change, especially the changes any of us make when leaving the WTBTS. Sometimes it seems as though a newbie might not be turned off just by someone saying how dull and boring things are around here...I thought it was about encourgement and of course a lot of rehashing so the newbie can become familiar. Oh well. If people look at this forum as "entertainment only" then there is much lacking.
I appreciate everyone who takes the time to post. I've learned more about JW's from these type forums then anywhere. Well, I wasn't actually looking to stick around when doing research for someone else, but ya know...everyone of you matter a great deal. So when this place isn't hopping with excitement go find something else to do and check back later. Or get on with gettin' on and stop whining. Geeezzzz.
Granny
i am not sure if this is the best place to put this or not.
simon can move it around if not.
i have been going through my things and found kingdom ministries from 1989 - 1996 for the most part they are complete.
OMGosh, Mouthy. You are cracking me up.Well, somethings need to be said straight forward and up front. And when it comes to families being ripped apart...there is absolutely nothing nice or "sweet" about it. I'm all for telling it like it is, too.
granny
i read this quote at tom's site (thanks tom!
) and then looked it up for myself on the wt cd.
this is truly disturbing and shows their true mindset....this is from the nov. !5th 1952 question from readers.
Mouthy, James beat me to it...that is so sick!!!!!!! Damn, I detest those people. I imagine you have found forgiveness in your heart, but nonetheless, their hatred towards humanity is totally disgusting.
love,
granny
i haven't been on here in quite a while so let me refresh your memories.
i have a son who is in the army reserves, he went to basic last summer but he's a senior in high school and has to do his individual training so he's not in iraq with his unit.
i haven't heard anything from my family since last july when i told them what he was doing.
So true, so true! It's not really love and concern - or so is my opinion.
My mother has never seen my 3 grandchildren. She has not seen her grandson in over 12 years. I tell them nothing! Although I did have opportunity to rekindle a relationship with my fence-riding older sister and shared some family things with her that I'd wish now to have remained silent about. Guess that's the price I pay for thinking JW family has any right. My mom and two sisters have had no contact with a df aunt, my mothers sister, in over 15 years. So when I get this phoney "did you (meaning me) know about Aunt Jeannie?" Well F*** me!!!!!! I know more about what goes on with the df side of the family then you'll ever know...cut the phoney crap with me!!! Just like someone already stated; how they turn their feelings on and off so quickly. That's the behaviour of a split-person.
I'm all for not telling JW family anything. It's none of their business as long as they continue shunning. Even then, for myself, there is no likelyhood of me ever speaking to them again. I made that choice last week. Up to then I'd thought that perhaps they could set their religious mumbo-jumbo aside, but they cannot refrain from preaching. Screw em!
Granny
i have been attending a church in our area for about 2 years now - i really like it.
they are looking at ideas for outreach ministry and i think i'm going to approach the pastor about offering a support group for x-jw and mormons (or even those that are still in but want to come....heck....guess i could let them in .
so my question for ya'll is - what type of support group would you feel most comfortable in?
Hi, Dawn.
Since it's a ministry outreach program, does that mean it's Bible based or is there room for the non-Christian? I've done 10 years volunteer work amongst Christians since they are the one's who usually establish community centers/healing programs. At least in the smaller communities anyhow.
I'm only asking because sometimes there is a conflict between theology and secular. I was forced to set my judgement aside because recovery was the important issue...not my religious (or lack of) differences. It's just that too often these type settings can develop into religious argument rather than some remaining focused on the real issue. At any rate I think it's a wonderful thing you are doing.
Granny
